Smeg: I wish you many strong-armed feminist guys
Me: I’m just going to set up a box trap with a jar of pickles and a copy of some bell hooks and see who I catch
*sneaks in and sneaky noms on the pickles*
claiming that trans men can be lesbians on the basis of their birth assignment is also to claim that trans women cannot be lesbians on the basis of their birth assignment
See, I kinda disagree with this…… (PLEASE NOTE CIS-DYKE SPEAKING HERE SO NOT AUTHORITY ON THE SUBJECT) … and would love anyone else’s opinions on the subject.
First, of course trans women can be lesbians. The ‘woman’ part kinda is a give-away hint there.
Buttt. I have heard a few arguments for trans men as well. Namely, that there are lesbian subcultures and cultures that are highly accepting of a wide range of variants in gender expression. So it is very possible for someone to ID for years as a lesbian, dating other women, slowly noticing they are more and more comfortable the butcher they are…. and then to realize one day that it’s not butch they are after, it’s masculinity. The acceptance of gender-fluidness and/or movement on the femme/butch spectrum may actually delay the realization. THIS IS ALL OKAY.
But the point being, by the time an individual has come out himself as a trans man…. he may have years… decades even, of support from within the lesbian community. He has lived that life, and understands the struggles. To my mind if he takes some comfort in still claiming that…. that is okay.
Obviously every gender-specific space and event is going to be different because the reasons for desiring a single-gender environment will be different, but as a general rule I believe in thinking very hard before excluding trans men from women-only spaces and events. They have lived as women, been treated as women, and still interact with society as women at some levels and times. Obviously not all trans men will be comfortable being in a ‘woman only’ seeing how they are, in fact, men, but I believe it is on that individual to make that call, if it’s a situation that they can still get support from.
I should hope it does not need to be said that there is no circumstance which a trans woman should be not welcomed at a women only space.
It has always been my belief that welcoming trans men into women only spaces *at their discretion* did not in any way invalidate the trans women in attendance, as both groups have moved through life interacting as women in this world, and perhaps even the variety in experiences would make any discussion more fruitful. But, as I am neither a trans woman or a trans man, I would be exceptionally interested if anyone was comfortable in sharing their thoughts and/or experiences.
As a side note I find it interesting that I’ve never given much thought to the other side of the coin, to trans women being included in men (trans and cis) only spaces. Perhaps because I am not aware of many male groups that support trans women going through transition or even just men who wish to explore femininity?
Has anybody ever actually gotten salmonella from eating raw cookie dough or are people just trying to stop me from living my life
Depends. If you’re under six, yeah it happens and it’s not fun. If you’re an adult in decent health with no immune issues…. I’d say go forth and eat cookie dough in peace. Because really, even if you KNEW you’d have one 72 hour period of horrid diarrhea once in your life time, wouldn’t most of us do that and consider it a price well paid for the amazingness of raw cookie dough?
And if you’re still nervous, try to find someplace local to get your eggs. Chickens with salmonella are SUPER obvious and any farmer would separate them out, the problem is with the egg industry that there are so many chickens in such bad shape in such a small area that you can’t notice to weed out the sick ones.